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Sunday, August 30th, 2026   |   55 comments

Mayor Meathead’s Magic Trick: Disappears Up Own Arse At Media Conference

Everyone is scratching their heads, muttering ‘How the hell did he manage to do that? Amazing!!’  The ‘Pie pulls aside the green curtain of our own Wizard of Oz.

But a mightily miffed Astonisher iditor Jill Poulson huffily declares ‘We will never apologise for doing our job’.  Quite right Jill, best to save your apologies for the frequent times you’re NOT doing your job.  The ‘Pie points out a few of the week’s instances.

At the risk of repetition (heaven forfend!!) we have to revisit last week’s issue about changes to council rules for grants. One truly snide, simply impossible  requirement was highlighted in comments during the week.

Is the next state election shaping up as a Battle of the Sexes? Seems Stephen Miles waffling leadership is on the line, and seems there’s a gal gunning for him.

And heading our US gallery this week, a short scathingly funny video about why the wrong person died during the week.

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Trump Lite: Mayor Meathead Goes The ‘Fake News’ Route

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Slick Nick Dametto believes those who are in the public eye must answer to higher standards, and if such people fail to clear the bar, they should apologise … no, no, silly, not HIM, but those damn reporters.

Quick recap for those who’ve been on Mars for the past couple of months. Back in June, the mayor was on a sponsored pub crawl on Magnetic Island (there was a time when that alone would’ve been a story in itself) when he was involved in a ‘confrontation’ involving a member of state MP Adam Baille’s staff at Nomad’s … ( although present, Baille himself was uninvolved) By all reports it was loud and belligerent – ‘a scuffle’ one witness gasped –  and resulted in the mayor being escorted off the premises.  Witnesses complained enough that the rozzers were called in to investigate, the whole thing, which they did in their accustomed leisurely pace, until last Wednesday, they issued Dametto with an Infringement Notice for Public Nuisance, to wit disorderly behaviour in a licensed premises.  That’ll be $1036 fine, ta muchly.  No charges were laid and such a matter is not classed a criminal offence.

There was only one place that news was going to land.

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The paper played it with a straight bat,  basically recording the fact of the fine and repeating some background.  They’d have enough time later to make the mayor squirm.  They thought.

But instead of some professional damage control – a stock standard “sorry ’bout that, not good enough will do better now let’s move on”  Slick Nick unwisely decided to deliberately walk into the swinging door, refusing to take any responsibility for the incident or the outcome. His response seen here was pugnacious and it was bullshit. Because while he made some telling points about the media inaccuracies of the whole saga,  it was only irrelevant and a piss-weak attempt at deflection … the bare fact is that it happened.  Certainly no acknowledgement that none of this would’ve happened if he’d kept his temper in the first place.  This goof doesn’t realise that a lot of the reporting he complained of – half rumours and sensationalised wording –  was done in an information vacuum he created himself by stonewalling – pretty close to actually lying –  to legitimate media inquiries about his side of the story.

The Streisand Effect was as swift as it was inevitable.

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Another negative story and a fuming editorial accompanied the second front page in as many days. And the News Ltd octopus and the Seven network spread it far and wide.

And Maybe It Won’t – In Fact,  Shouldn’t – End There. 

The councillors, on behalf of the community which elected them , should table a motion of ‘disappointment’ at the mayor generating nationwide negative publicity about a pub crawl incident involving him and his silly unprofessional response to the subsequent fine. The motion should at least express regret that the mayor has brought further ignominy to a city already struggling with major reputational damage.

Nobody’s calling for an outright censure motion, we all just want to get on with repairing the wrongs of entrenched political hooliganism that has dogged our community for too long, but this boofheaded lack of judgement and absence of awareness surely cannot go unremarked and unrecorded around the council table.

The Bulletin’s At It Again …. Flogging False Hope 

Lighton Smith also at it again, with this half-baked twaddle.

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The headlines on this story are simply a lie … we know this because Lighton Smith himself tells us he hasn’t got a clue what’s going on, especially if work has actually started on some sort substantive renovation.  It seems our journalistic Inspector Closeau got on the case when he was alerted to this small sign outside the Dimmey’s site.

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For reasons known only to himself, our chubby sleuth indulged in what seems  the only exercise he gets nowadays and jumped to the  incomprehensible conclusion that the sign confirmed ‘that renovations are underway’. 

Eh?   The sign itself did no such thing, so we read on to find out the proof of this very good news. Our eagle-eyed man spotted some tradies working near the ceiling,  close enough for a couple of pics, citing this as proof that big things were afoot, but apparently didn’t even make  a casual inquiry asking what they were doing.  He also didn’t ask the council if any new agreement had been reached on the rehabilitation which has been stalled for decades. The owners of the building weren’t  saying anything either. So the more likely but less sensational explanation might be that the tradies were doing a make-safe on the area recently vacated by Chemists Warehouse.

Perhaps it never occurred to Lighton that if there was genuine move toward renovation and rehabilitation of the pivotal site, the TCC would be crowing from the rooftops and the owners would be heaping praise on themselves.

But Lighton is no stranger to this confabulist MO. Remember this?

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Hey, mate, care to check with the council and give us an update on the $550m water park and ‘beach club’  featuring a 15-storey, 200 room hotel at Cluden that you so adamantly told in a couple of a front page story a year or so ago was about to ‘supercharge the local economy with hundreds of jobs’? Or how about just ringing the Cluden Turf Club and asking if the proposed purchase of the land for this project has actually been sold to the proponents yet ? As a last resort, maybe ask the two proponents – who appear to be a couple of wannabees from Home Hill – where things stand?

Seriously Leighton, you wonder why you get so much stick here in the Nest.

Does the above give you any clues?

And While We’re With The Astonisher

One of the paper’s endearing little foibles of late is repeating the same story, something we read one days bobs up again a few days later. But in the last week they’ve outdone themselves, with the same story appearing twice in the one edition, just three pages apart.

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It would be more endearing if we weren’t paying for the privilege.

We know, Ms Poulson, that you won’t and shouldn’t apologise to the mayor or anyone else for, as you so indignantly put it in your editorial ‘doing our job’ . But what’s the situation when you’re NOT doing your job, like this example among regular similar cock-ups?  Do you just hope we don’t notice? Well, good luck with that, it won’t be the case while The Magpie’s cloaca is pointing to the ground.

Then There’s This Little Mystery

There seems to be some disparity about the numbers involved in the new TCC grant rules. One of the Bulletin’s more competent reporters  Andrew Mackaysmith (anyone got a spare hyphen for the poor bloke) recently told us that the council had changed the rules pertaining to council hand-outs (sorry ‘partnership grants’) quote  The updated partnership guidelines now support funding applications ranging from $5000 up to $50,000.’

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But during the week, the council put out a media release inviting organisations to put their hands up for some public moola. But the top ask was suddenly half previous the previous report, to $25,000.

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This is a policy that is much commented on in Townsville, so it is kinda important to know the top ask.

But then, there is also the new requirement about organisations seeking public funding will have to prove the economic worth of their event. In comments during the week, it was reported that one group proposing a buskers festival had been knocked back because they could only say visitor numbers, likely accomodation benefits and economic boost would only be ‘guesstimates’. They said this answer was the reason they failed to be considered for a requested $15,000 grant.

If this rejection is true, there is an interesting question for the council shiny bums to tell us:  what else could any projection of tourism benefits to the economy be except ‘guesstimates’.? If not, could a council spinner please tell what process is used to more accurately decide an events tourism value?  Do the grant poobahs use the TEL method – think of a nice number, publish it after an event but offer absolutely not a shred of evidence to back it up.

Or do you just have to be a mate of someone on e council viewed favourably by the grants committee?

Seems there might be many on this council who think transparency is just something used for a slide show.

Nowhere Near There Yet, So Miles To Go?

Word swirling about at the annual Labor Party knees up in Brisbane  this weekend is that a leadership challenge is in the air before the end of the year.

Steven Miles – hard to believe he’s a former Premier, even by default –  could be on the slide, not having been able to lay a glove on Crisafulli. And The ‘Pie is told that some are pushing the youth angle and are backing 33-year-old Meaghan Scanlon to take  over Labor’s poisoned chalice.

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in her nine years in Parliament Ms Scanlan seems to have had more state cabinet positions than Scott Morrison had federally … the difference being of course, that she was appointed by others. not herself.

Meaghan was the Minister for Housing, Minister for Planning and Local Government and Minister for Public Works.She has also served as Minister for the Environment and Great Barrier Reef and Minister for Science and Youth Affairs as well as Assistant Minister for Tourism Industry Development. She holds several of these positions in the current shadow cabinet.

She may have been the youngest ever state Housing Minister, but even if she were elected tomorrow, she would still be way off being the youngest Queensland premier … that honour belongs to the politically unaligned Sir Robert Herbert,  the state’s very first premier in 1860, who got the top job at the bum fluff age of 28 and a bit.  But  there is a case of history repeating itself. Like David Crisafulli more than 150 years later, Herbert started out as the member  in north Queensland, for Leichhardt on the Cape  but after three years, moved to West Morton near Brisbane. Otherwise it would’ve  have been a different sort of hellish journey back then, mostly trial by water rather than by trial by potholes.

Although perhaps bum fluff is the wrong joke.

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First Qld Premier Sir Robert Herbert

Goodbye Dolly ...

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There was much to love about Dolly Parton, the singer and philanthropist, who died at age 80 from cancer during the week.  One of her most endearing traits was that she was never – in the vernacular – up herself.  That is one reason why she crossed all social boundaries and was universally loved and admired. Dolly Parton jokes were standard fair for decades, – they ran from front bar yuk yukkery about her breasts (here, The ‘Pie raises a guilty hand) to her rhinestone outfits and outlandish hairstyling.  But the very best Dolly jokes were told by Dolly herself.  She cheerfully went along with the humour, once telling an interview who had asked a sniffy question about her general appearance ‘Hey, it takes a lot of money to look this cheap’.  The ‘Pie’s favourite was her reply when asked if she resented being called a dumb blonde -“I don’t mind what they say, because I know I ain’t dumb … and I know I ain’t blonde’. 

What hurt many people was the loss of a truly good and caring person in an America that increasingly has far too few of them.  An accurate if emotional expression of this grief came from American social media commentator/comedian  Alex Pearlman, who highlighted the stark contrast of Parton’s worldwide philanthropy (especially her program of boosting kid’s literacy) with the ‘every man for himself’ ethos now dominating American society. He doesn’t hold back.  (That book mail out program he talks about also operates in Australia.)

His sentiments were echoed elsewhere.

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But alas, that is unlikely, at least over the next couple of years. Trump’s deranged vanity moved closer to home recently,  when he started a pointless confrontation with Canada. But when Canada did an ‘Iran’ and openly defied this demented bully,   the Orange Abomination regressed  again into infantalisation, proposing to rename one of the Great Lakes, Lake America.  The derision was worldwide, with our own lads at The Shovel getting in one of the best licks.

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One aspect of the Iran resistance is the myriad murals and billboards elegantly depicting their defiance of US. They have even installed art work statues  near the Strait of Hormuz which is supposed to show defiance to the last shot. But … umm… wouldn’t like to be the bloke standing behind the RPG rocket launcher …. he might end up the toast of Teheran. Screenshot 2026-08-20 at 11.56.29 am

And on the subject of AI, The ‘Pie has often wondered why robot designers insist on making them take a sort of human form.  You’d think given the frailties of the human model, designers might come up with something more like, say,  R2-D2. Besides, as Larry in the London Telegraph points out,  human-like robots are likely to be the subject of human’s performance enhancing temptations.

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55 Comments

  1. Ducks Nuts says:

    It appears Mr Dametto has a short memory, and may need to ban himself for at least 24 hours, and up to 30 days.

    “In Townsville, our CBD, for too long, has been experiencing decades of recurring public intoxication and disorderly behaviour. This kind of behaviour is disturbing and it has created a scenario where a lot of those small, local businesses that have been loyal to the CBD have found it, in some
    cases, almost impossible to continue to trade.”
    ….”The idea of banning people for 24 hours for certain behaviour is welcomed by me and the Townsville City Council, and being able to escalate that to a 30-day ban, I think, is crucial to showing that there is a line in the sand—that something needs to be done here. It also stops the recurring behaviour which is deeply engrained.”

    https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/com/JICSC-CD82/EACATTSSDA-7004/Transcript%20-%209%20April%202026%20-%20%20JIC%20-%20Hearing%20-%20Inquiry%20into%20the%20Expanding%20Adult%20Crime,%20Adult%20Time%20and%20Taking%20a%20Strong%20Stance%20on%20Drugs%20and%20Anti%20Social%20Behaviour%20Amendment%20Bill%202026%20(A1718860)%20(1).pdf

    • Steve Jones says:

      The interesting bit will be whether the standards politicians demand for everyone else are still the standards when they find themselves on the other side of them.

      • The Magpie says:

        The response from councillors to the excellent question you ask will be interesting in that light. A formal motion of ‘disappointment’ with the mayor would be appropriate, and no such mention will be tacit endorsement of this unprofessional behaviour of this hick. But sadly, The ‘Pie suspects it will be ‘nothing to see here, let’s move on’, all councillors tarring themselves with the same Mayor Meathead brush.

  2. Prince Rollmop says:

    Miles is toxic. The unions stunt in pushing out Palletchook and putting Miles into the leadership chair has failed abysmally. Pie, you are right about chuckles, he hasn’t been able to land a hit on Crisafulli at all. The Miles/Dick experiment has failed. The unions want their gravy train back and will likely push to have Scanlon take on the top job in a hope of winning back power at the next state election. However I don’t think that even with Scanlon in the top Labor job they will win the next election. Labor needs to be thinking further ahead into the future. At the moment they have duds, incompetents, and has-beens sitting in senior leadership roles and they can’t win from here.

    On a different note, regarding the Dimmeys news article, the ever expanding Lighton Smith is also a dud. This is yet another half cocked, no effort, lazily penned article from Townsville’s most useless reporter. It seems to have become a weekly occurrence.

  3. One-legged tap dancer says:

    When I first read about Mayor Dametto’s attack on the media for daring to report the facts, for some reason Barbara Streisand’s version of “Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered” rang in my ears.
    Did any other bloggers have a similar reaction?

    • Alahazbin says:

      OLTD, When news broke of this ‘fracas’, there was no naming of the other person involved except it was one Baillie’s staffers. The Astonisher’s headline says
      “Mayors pays the Price”. Is that reference to the other party involved? And what did occur for ‘Damented Nick’for him to react in such a manner?

  4. Pennywise says:

    The grinning goof Steven Miles is a limp wristed idiot. Both he and his decimated party are no match for the Kid and the LNP. QLD state Labor will remain in exile for years to come, of that there is no doubt. The cronyism and corruption involving the Union can only be compared to the shenanigans rocking the Victorian CMFEU scandal. I’ve noticed that the stupidly named Grace Grace has gone deathly silent. She is another one complicit in the machinations of the Union movement. She was bought many years ago, just like Miles and Nanna Anna for him.

  5. The Magpie says:

    And the derision just keeps coming … happy to say.

    • Bob says:

      As a bird fancier (sorry Magpie, fully booked) I feel it necessary to point out that the pictured bird is called a Canada Goose (not “Canadian”).

      • The Magpie says:

        As a humour fancier (sorry Bob, fully booked) The ‘Pie feels it necessary to point out that the commenter Bob is the Magpie’s goose.

  6. Bob says:

    Dear Magpie, the ‘Nest is missing your acute local knowledge of matters Stadium and Strand. Besides several eyeopeners in league and union bringing punters to the Stadium in droves, Maggie Island is engulfed in Sealink Race Week which is entertaining (at no parking cost) Strand-goers:

    “Six Fathoms Race Day took the fleet [of more than 50 yachts] on Strand races, giving Townsville locals and holidaymakers a special view of racing along the foreshore at lunchtime on a tropical sunny day in North Queensland. As the boats rounded a laid mark close to the Strand, the breeze was in and the action was fast.

    It will be an amazing time up here when the Olympic Sailing Competition comes to the waters of Townsville and today’s race gave the region a taste of what to expect when the Games come to town in 2032 and for the preceding Test Events.”

    • The Magpie says:

      Hmmmm. Not in 26 years has the ‘Pie ever seen ‘thousands lining the Strand foreshore to watch a sailing race’, as predicted by the Bulletin. NYE fireworks and occasional sky shows (where have they gone?) are the only events that have ever pulled those sorts of numbers to North Ward (we’re not counting inward looking Anzac Day marches and the like.). An Olympic event maybe, and The ‘Pie applauds the organisers of the MIRW, it is a boon to the local image, economy and general enjoyment, but mainly for participants and benefitting businesses.

      And it was noted that the recent Rugby Test pulled in 19,000 punters to a stadium of 25,000 capacity. So future attendances will be interesting to see – please note that TEL can’t do their usual ‘think of a number head counting’ Stadiums Queensland publish all attendances based on gate entry.

  7. The Magpie says:

    Absolutely correct even if a bit “well, duh” – editor Poulson’s impassioned defence (not even necessary against this twerp) is what responsible media has always adhered to. Throughout this story, the Bulletin has stuck with responsible reporting, keeping well within the legal and ethical guiderails.

    But Jill, that principle shouldn’t be applied so selectively, it should apply across the board in both large and small ways.

    So it would a major move back to credibility if you dropped all adjectives from headlines and allow them only sparingly in stories themselves. No longer would people be ‘sadly killed in a tragic accident’, they will simply be killed in an accident. No one, on the roads or in a hospital bed, will ‘tragically die’. Accidents themselves would not be horrific, minor house fires would not be ‘blazing infernos’ and rapes would no longer be terrifying (what else could they be FFS?)

    By doing this, you will have extended your noble sentiments regarding mayoral misdemeanours to all your readers all the time, who will be allowed to ‘make up their own minds’ without the insult of adjectival sensationalism.

    • Custard arse says:

      Sensationalised stories peppered with wank words is a specialty from Miss Poulson’s pathetic little rag. There use of the term ‘alleged’ is also an overkill and used to death in their articles. I yawn and roll my eyes every time I see that word used. Boring…..

      • The Magpie says:

        While the overuse and incorrect use of ‘alleged’ is a directive by the News Ltd legal department in Holt Street as a failsafe of dubious value should something go to court, The Bulletin’s ignorance of English has on more than occasion questioned the honesty of the police and other government officials. Because, apart from its dictionary definition, the word ‘alleged’ carries the raised eyebrow suspicion that a statement is possibly false. So the paper for some reason will tell us ‘ police allege they found the rifle in the car boot’ which means the coppers could be lying and corrupt, maybe planted the weapon themselves.. Why the paper doesn’t just report ‘police say …’ instead. Quoting a source in this way has no legal danger because it is attributed.

    • Dr Frankenfurter says:

      I can’t believe people still read or buy this shitty newspaper. It’s an absolute load of crap and not worth your hard earned money. Terrible reporters and a useless editor. There are outdated stories and the papers are littered with errors and advertisements. How they still exist is one of the worlds seven wonders.

      • Guy says:

        Its the problem with legacy media, it can’t compete in an environment where “news” is rapidly happening; added to that is bias and lies that serve its master so attention is directed away from important and pertinent matters.

        If the bulletin disappeared one day no one would know or care; you can throw television into the same basket. Television is now only watched by the elderly or women, no man below say 65 years old watches television. Its why the government is cracking down in the internet because there are too many information sources reporting reality rather than approved content.

        • The Magpie says:

          The ‘Pie takes it that his exclusion from your comment means you think there would be uproar if The Magpie’s Nest disappeared?

          • Guy says:

            The magpie’s nest would be termed ” new media” . Like other new media people you were forced out of legacy media and adapted. The more successful new media exists on youtube, instagram and similar platforms. The other holding against legacy media is no one trusts it anymore.

          • Achilles says:

            Is there a “down-roar” the opposite of up-roar? I’ll see myself out………

        • Bob says:

          Guy, one of my internet sources tells me that according to ACMA, ” . . . . . Around 52% of Australian adults watch traditional free-to-air television (excluding catch-up), while nearly 9 in 10 Australians (87.4%) engage with broadcast TV or broadcast video on demand (BVOD) at least monthly.”

          • Guy says:

            Would you like lies with that ??

            That still holds true though with my initial assertion – the only ones watching TV are women – adult women and the old. I’d doubt if a younger woman is watching TV in any real capacity. Escape to the country or house hunters international are programmes used to fall asleep, you don’t want someone screeching bloody murder with a machine gun in your ear as you are drifting off.

            In the old days TV schedules were the plaything of TV channels, programmes Would get pulled at a moments notice, in the end people just walked away

          • The Magpie says:

            Would you like lies with that ??

            Not sure if you’re channeling The Magpie, Guy, but here’s a totally irrelevant anecdote. Back in the bad old days when The ‘Pie was taking Rupert’s shilling (2007) he wrote a column in the paper about the upcoming federal cage fight for the seat of Herbert, Labor’s George Colbran in the red corner v in the blue corner in the azure tights Peter Lindsay. The Magpie had doubted something George had said, so decided to make a merry jest, posing the question ‘Do you want lies with?’ referencing that George was at the time the McDonald’s monarch of North Queensland. The ‘Pie, never afraid to over egg the cake, also asked if George was telling rather than selling whoppers.

            George went on lose the election to Prince Peter. Talking socially with George when the dust had settled, I asked if he was pissed off at the jesting. His reply was a classic, he said he could see the humour in the ‘lies with that’ jab but he strenuously objected to the ‘whoppers’ line, because that was the key product for McDonald’s rival Burger King/Hungry Jack’s. He wasn’t laughing when he said it, seems they play hard ball in the fast food business.

            But we have always remained on friendly terms, and over the time, George has always been a solid and positive community member, and an admirably courageous bloke, always remaining cheerful and positive while successfully facing down a health scare some years ago. And unlike many others, George and wife Lorraine have stuck around in Townsville in retirement (MI no less), although they are inveterate globetrotters.

            Shame he was never attracted to local government, he would’ve made a valuable councillor, especially in the financial area.

  8. Chasmac says:

    Traditional MI media seems unwilling to publish unauthorised updates on the Radical Bay situation so I’m turning to an alternative. I had an opportunity to ask the Google Artificial Intelligence (AI) assistant:

    “Does the repaired road give public access to the beachfront at Radical Bay?”

    It answered as follows:

    “No, the repaired road itself does not directly lead to the beachfront. While the state government’s restoration works open vehicle and 4WD access to the back of Radical Bay, it creates a major connectivity challenge regarding legal public beach access. [1, 2]
    The Access Issue
    1. Private Freehold Land: The entire beachfront area and the immediate foreshore at Radical Bay sit on privately owned freehold land. [1]
    2. End of the Road: Vehicles will only be able to drive as far as a designated turnaround or carpark point located hundreds of metres behind the beach. [1, 2]
    3. The Missing Boardwalk: To legally cross from the repaired road to the sand without trespassing on private property, visitors must use a formally gazetted, 5-metre-wide public easement. However, the boardwalk required to make this path usable has never been built. [1]
    What This Means for Visitors
    Local community critics point out that the current road project fails to solve this connection issue. Unless a separate agreement is made or a public walkway is built across the private land, visitors—especially the elderly and those with limited mobility—will still face physical barriers trying to get from their vehicles to the water’s edge. [1, 2]” (End of AI quote)

    So, apart from the slightly inaccurate description of the “missing boardwalk” – technically that easement is a formal government Road Reserve seven (7) metres wide labelled “PATHWAY” on the 1989/91 Lands Dept plans – the AI assistant has a pretty good handle on the situation. Which is that the unaccounted for taxpayer millions spent on roadworks have not provided legal public access to Radical Bay beach for anyone, least of all the elderly, disabled and children to whom it was specifically promised. Furthermore, the state government and local member Adam Baillie have not attempted to resolve the internal road closure issue, facilitated by previous state governments at the instigation of successive developers in order to create a ‘gated community’, which now threatens the continued existence of at least two recognised ecosystems in Radical Bay. The unmade Road Reserve pathway is located on State Land in a mangrove-lined tidal estuary. It cannot be built without destruction of undisturbed woodland and wetland. Unless some alternative is developed, perhaps through a consultation process that engages with TCC and the private owner, we may end up with NO LEGAL PUBLIC ACCESS to the beachfront in Radical Bay. And instead get a private resort-style gated community that has no obligation whatsoever to provide public access across its freehold land. Wouldn’t that be clever?

    • The Magpie says:

      hahahaha …. Good one, Charlie. You do know what ‘scraping’ is don’t you, mate? You know, the use of computer programs to automatically extract targeted data from digital sources. It’s how AI works, scraping info from all sorts of sites – from legitimate to looney – involving the key words in a question.

      So could it be you are quoting information you yourself have hypothesised and previously posted, but making it sound independent and verified by invoking the not-so-magical term AI?

      Of course, you being a reasonable bloke, always willing to listen to all sides of an argument to reach a consensual view, would never stoop to such chicanery. The ‘Pie mentions only because this is a growing danger of truth-washing misinformation.

      • Ben Rumson says:

        It was a much more relaxed and trusting world when AI was artificial insemination.

      • Chasmac says:

        Fact is, I had never heard of ‘scraping’. But a reasonable test for it would be to ask your browser the same question I asked mine.

        • The Magpie says:

          You don’t have to have heard of it, it’s just an explanation how, for mall we know, you are quoting yourself. AI doesn’t necessarily give you the source of its reply.

      • Steve Jones says:

        The Magpie has a point. AI can be a great research tool, but asking it a question isn’t independent verification. Otherwise we’re in danger of citing ourselves with extra steps. lol

        • Software bandit says:

          AI captures information that a human has interpreted or written. AI is basically a search engine. The data it collects has been originally written by a person. So if that information isn’t true, the information AI is capturing also isn’t true. It’s a deeply flawed system in many ways, but in some aspects it is good such as scheduling maintenance or rostering a workforce. But it isn’t the be all and end all. Just my two cents worth, but what would I know, I’m just an imperfect human.

          • The Magpie says:

            Spot on.

          • Choo Choo Trains says:

            “AI is basically a search engine. ”

            Wrong.

            AI is generative reasoning engine that is trained on human generated and synthetic data.

            Its not a web scraper.

          • The Magpie says:

            Seems your on the wrong track, ChooChoo Trains … The ‘Pie decided to ask AI about your claim that AI itself isn’t a web scraper and came back with a couple of interesting bits of ‘data’ … which around here, we call info.
            First, this:
            AI Overview
            AI can be used as a web scraping tool, and artificial intelligence is frequently integrated into data extraction to understand webpage context instead of relying on rigid, hardcoded rules.


            … and then this:



            This interesting report from IBM
            (click to read) is written in plain language so even technoklutz drongos like The ‘Pie can grasp the concept (unlike self-regarding superior twerps who give us lines like “AI is generative reasoning engine that is trained on human generated and synthetic data‘. The opening paragraph answers the basic question:
            AI scraping explained
            AI scraping is the process of using artificial intelligence (AI) to automate the extraction of data from websites, with the goal of gathering and processing it more efficiently and intelligently than manual methods. Before AI, this process was known as simply web scraping or data extraction.

            AI allows sophisticated models to scrape websites more intelligently, adjusting to changing digital environments with adaptive workflows and even performing in a more ethical fashion, avoiding the pitfalls of simpler web scraping tools.

            Had you said that AI is not ONLY a scraping tool, you would’ve been right, but seems you overshot the platform, Choo Choo.

          • Choo Choo Trains says:

            Your article explains what AI web scraping is. Which is web scraping enabled by AI.
            AI itself is not web scraping.

          • The Magpie says:

            You appear to be in need of some AI, as in Actual Intelligence, especially when it comes to the English language.

    • Guy says:

      given the amount of money sloshing around and being pissed up the wall putting in decent road around magnetic island is a no brainer. at least in 10 years the road would still be there AND boosting the economy. call me a heretic but having a road going around the coast of magnetic island would give the economy a boost.

      giving access to nice / interesting places always boosts the economy permanently.

      when the road across townsville common was closed it damaged the economy because it effectively shut down another place of interest that a tourist could visit , meaning that in the long term there would be little interest in returning; and in general because people don’t care they had another place to visit removed. in the end everything gets locked up and the human mind goes crazy because humans were never meant to live in cages.

  9. Maggie Whinge Alot says:

    Charlie
    Take comfort, that something (although artificial), believes the bullshit you have been peddling for years.

    • Chasmac says:

      MWA, the AI makes three assertions about the works at RB, each with a reference number. You and seemingly your co-commenters, want none of it to be true, even in the face of government and other documentary evidence – eg. Point 1. Surely you are not disputing the boundaries of freehold land or the official closing and opening of roads? Are you saying it is “bullshit” because you can’t refute any of it?
      Member Baillie has posted a video showing that the taxpayer funded roadworks extend about a hundred metres into the private property at Radical Bay. Nice work if you can get it (done for free).

      • The Magpie says:

        OK Charlie, all ribbing aside, can you supply a map illustrating your claim an any other visual evidence like a photograph showing the stretch of road extending into the private leasehold property. The ‘Pie will be happy to not only publish it but to take issue with the authorities if that, as well as the more disturbing claim that there is no safe public access to the beach, is true. The 100m claim raises very serious questions about the use of public money for private amenity.

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        • Chasmac says:

          Force yourself to look up Adam Baillie’s video on Facebook. At about the 10-seconds-to-go mark, the camera car, already in the freehold Juniper land, crosses the creek and then climbs the dune at the back of the bay. The roadworks, including the composite aggregate/cement surfacing material, are continuous across the culvert and up to the top of the dune slope before petering out. 100m is just a guess. The camera car then continues across the sandy slope to a post and rail ‘fence’ which approximates the front boundary facing the Esplanade.
          For maps and diagrams showing the road closure and other manipulations go to minca.org, type Radical Bay in the search box and go for your life.

          • The Magpie says:

            You want to make an argument but want everyone else to do the spadework at your behest. Resisting the temptation to offer you some advice involving sex and travel, this is the link you so lazily declined to provide.
            https://www.facebook.com/reel/1935160670808901

            And here’s a further update from the member.

            https://www.facebook.com/reel/1595245318907414

            And via his FB page, The ‘Pie has asked Mr Baillie for a simple answer one way or the other to your claims. Did it not occur to you to ask him yourself, Charlie? Or did you and you don’t want to publish his reply?

          • Chasmac says:

            I spoke to Baillie on this exact subject more than 12 months ago, showed him the maps and diagrams and listened to him tell me no decisions have been made yet.

          • The Magpie says:

            Are you saying he said no decision had yet been made (at that time) regarding public access to the beach? Have you asked him for an update since?

          • Chasmac says:

            Re your question (earlier in the night) about asking Baillie for an update, I decided long ago to judge him by his actions not his words. He appears to have used RoadTek and taxpayer funding to build a road access to and through the front gate of Juniper’s private development site and then filmed himself driving around on the property as if he owns the joint. Meanwhile, what happened to the dedicated public access to the beach?

          • The Magpie says:

            So your strategy as an activist is non-engagement, reactive and not proactive? And try to get others to do some upfront work on your behalf?

            And btw, this from our friends at AI:

            Juniper’s site at Radical Bay includes both freehold and leasehold land parcels.When the Juniper Development Group purchased the site in 2001, it acquired “3.85 ha of freehold land and a further 4.9 ha of leasehold land.”

      • Maggie Whinge Alot says:

        FFS Charlie,
        Now you’re scrapping- the bottom of the barrel.
        There was a resort on the freehold land, stop trying to make out the area is pristine.
        I had a look at Baillie’s reel, can’t see any kerb and channeling, any road base material or bitumen work done on the freehold land. It is dirt driveway- the owner has every right to access his property. So what is the problem didn’t he contact you for your approval?
        There was never vehicle access to the beach when the resort was there. There was a car park and you walked to the beach.
        The current owner has never denied the public access to the beach.
        What next are going to claim there is a rare blue arsed bat that has been sighted in the area.
        Give it a rest.
        You don’t want any development down there, in fact you don’t want anyone down there, except for yourself and your cronie mates.

        Maybe the owner will just give you lot The Bird and sell it to the Chinese?
        Then you would have something to really whinge about.

  10. Claude says:

    In response to Magpie’s claim that AI isn’t a web scraper

    You seemed to have missed the point completely Magpie – see the line from your IBM article

    “AI scraping is the process of using artificial intelligence (AI) to automate the extraction of data from websites”

    The scraping of data has been going on ever since the internet popped it’s little head above the ethernet – we had a tool known as Gopher back in those days. In fact the Magpie could well be considered a “web scraper”, you harvest data from websites don’t you, albeit a little slower than AI.

    The majesty of AI is in the agent, and what it can accomplish, to refer back to another article by Big Blue https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/ai-agents – this is where the “magic” happens, the processing of Large Language Models, or LLMs to make decisions and, dare I say it, learn.

    • The Magpie says:

      Not to poush a point, Claude, but what the fuck are you gibbering about?

      Please point out where The Magpie said AI isn’t a web scraper …. that claim was made commenter ChooChooTrains, to which The Magpie replied proving the claim incorrect …. you should read things more carefully in your eagnerness to take a pot shot at protected native fauna.

      Stay indoors when open season is declared on muppets, Claude.

  11. Prince Rollmop says:

    Fans of the pickled walnut will be eagerly going to the cinema to watch the new movie ‘Ink’. It’s all about the rise and rise of the picked walnut. No doubt Lighton Smith and Jill Poultice will be excited beyond belief, perhaps even aroused? Personally, my thoughts are ‘fuck Murdoch and his crooked cronies’. I would rather watch the neighbours dogs rooting than watch a story about the wrinkled old maggot.

  12. Paint scraper says:

    All this talk about scraping makes me think about our local elected officials. Truly, a scraping of the bottom of the barrel. Same could be said about the quality of our local media organisations, an absolute scraping of the barrel (or should that be scraping of the bottom of the bird cage).

    • Guy says:

      i think its hard to find anyone of any decent character or of sane mind involved in politics. . in the end the country ends up looking like the dysfunctional and corrupt operation of their mind. a mentally ill person often does things to themselves that are detrimental to themselves.

      citizens are made – not born

      we need to start re building the mind of the electorate , pretty hard considering the economy is going up in flames at the moment (its worse in the cities as you have to contend with the wave of immigrant crime with machetes and machine guns, remember that nice man shooting the AK47 at a building a few months ago ? no one needs that.)

      with things collapsing the best thing to do now is to get your own house in order and batten down for the future.

      • The Magpie says:

        (Sigh)

        And while that comment reeks of vintage Guy, a query is raised by your sudden from the use of capital letters. Did you suddenly become a fan of e.e. cummings.

      • Pap smear says:

        It’s time for you to head to the dugout Guy. Have you packed your guns, ammo, satellite phone and pepper spray?

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